Curse

luxor9 · Aug 03, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I'm suprised there's not some sort of punishment for people that quit matches soon after entering random arena. It happens quite often and there is little reason to do it.

Most people I imagine do it cause they see no monk in there group, or just to be a prick and ruin someones winning streak.

So my suggestion is to implement some sort of punishment for quitting a match. A simple loss in factions or not being able to log out untill the match is finished might help. Anyone should be allowed to quit after a match is finished of course but not before.

I looked for similar threads first but didn't find any and don't have time to look further so there it is.

Jetdoc · Aug 03, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Simply making it to where you cannot enter the arena again for another 60 seconds if you leave a group would deter a large majority of the quitters, when they realize that they aren't gaining any time by leaving.

Zui · Aug 03, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Unfortunately, you're both wrong.

I usualy play a boonprot in Random Arenas, although I do rarely play Random Arenas..

If my team is unable to win due to incompitent players, or poor random grouping(4 monks, for example). I leave. Sure, I could keep an incompitent team doing absolutly no damage to anyone (even though everyone is *trying* do deal damage) alive for 10+ minutes most of the time in Random Arenas. The question is, is it worth it? Why would I want to spend 10+ minutes of my time, with no chance of winning anytime soon, and if we do win with the prospect of all our games being 10+ minutes? The answer is, there is no reason why I'd *want* to waste my time.

Quite honestly, I'd still leave in those situations if a 60s penalty was added, it saves me 8+ minutes.

Although, if my team mates are not entirely incompitent, and the match is taking a long time, I'll certainly stay. Infact, I've been in several matches in RA with very good teams(for RA) that have lasted 30+ minutes. I didn't leave; No one on my team was entirely incompitent.

I do think that the majority of quitters do it because they're actualy trying to farm Gladiator points out of RA, or simply want to grief people. Which is just a waste of time, as you can earn 5x the points in TA in the same amount of time, if you're a descent player. Of course, there's no way to stop poor players from doing this... Except for removing Gladiator points from RA, which we all know ANET isn't going to do...

Arkantos · Aug 03, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I agree, nobody likes the ragequitters in RA. But remember, the keyword here is Random. Play in TA with guildies/friends if you dont like the quitters. Also, sometimes its right to leave a match early. What would you do if theres 1 player alive on your teaming running around and not being killed? You'll leave. What happens if your teamed with 3 warriors who have no clue what going too far is? You'll leave.

luxor9 · Aug 04, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

true there's some problems with the idea but it's unfair to just leave if you don't like the look of your team.

I like the idea that if you leave early your not allowed back in for a certain amount of time. I don't think you should be able to just log out untill atleast 1 minute of the fight has passed. That might not help either lol but I'm tryin.

audioaxes · Aug 04, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

im not ashamed to say i leave on the first sign of noobetry. If I see something player not lvl20, a warrior with noob armor setup ill leave before the match starts. If I find ppl doing dumb stuff and we win, I leave before next battle.

Carl Butanananowski · Aug 04, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Zui

Unfortunately, you're both wrong.

I usualy play a boonprot in Random Arenas, although I do rarely play Random Arenas..

If my team is unable to win due to incompitent players, or poor random grouping(4 monks, for example). I leave. Sure, I could keep an incompitent team doing absolutly no damage to anyone (even though everyone is *trying* do deal damage) alive for 10+ minutes most of the time in Random Arenas. The question is, is it worth it? Why would I want to spend 10+ minutes of my time, with no chance of winning anytime soon, and if we do win with the prospect of all our games being 10+ minutes? The answer is, there is no reason why I'd *want* to waste my time.

Quite honestly, I'd still leave in those situations if a 60s penalty was added, it saves me 8+ minutes.

Although, if my team mates are not entirely incompitent, and the match is taking a long time, I'll certainly stay. Infact, I've been in several matches in RA with very good teams(for RA) that have lasted 30+ minutes. I didn't leave; No one on my team was entirely incompitent.

I do think that the majority of quitters do it because they're actualy trying to farm Gladiator points out of RA, or simply want to grief people. Which is just a waste of time, as you can earn 5x the points in TA in the same amount of time, if you're a descent player. Of course, there's no way to stop poor players from doing this... Except for removing Gladiator points from RA, which we all know ANET isn't going to do...

incompentent** and i agree.

however, i try not to leave no matter how bleak the outcome looks (except in those stupid cases of 4 monks >.<). oftentimes im surprised by how well a build works, even if it looks horrible from a glance.

\m/ >_< \m/ rock on.

Dumbassturtle · Aug 04, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

But of course logging near the beginning of the match is really a way to make people love you. ;P

My guild mate went into a match once at lvl 18 (ranger), someone logged right off, nearly all else trashed her as a newb/noob, then blamed her when they were all dead, then she proceeded to take out a couple of the other team before she died. I think people need to calm down on the whole if your not lvl 20 your crap stuff.

All these different opinions and no real solution to make everybody happy. Though I think it would be nice to have people not log and give the match a shot even if it does seem that the players are new or that the group isn't perfect. I'm not saying stick it out for as long as possible but don’t leave them hanging in the first two minutes. Personally I don't pvp at this time because I don't particularly like being called stupid names when I've been playing since gw came out, sure I don't know everything about pvp but how can I learn if I can't play with a range of mature players with different experience.

Now commence the verbal abuse.

Kid Divinity · Aug 04, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

The only time I left due to team stupidity was when the IWAY Wammo on my team refused to fight until all of us were dead.

master_of_puppets · Aug 04, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Who cares? its friggin RA. You dont get anything if you win except a point for your gladiator title if you got 10+ which no one cares about anyway.

When I do RA I'll leave if the team setup is crap or I have some noob PVE W/Mo or non-level-20 on my team. If there is a monk on the opposing team and the retard warrior on my team keeps attacking the ranger or whatever and I call the target even though Im a monk and its not a monks job to call targets and the idiot/noob keeps attacking the ranger then Im not wasting my time Im leaving.

luxor9 · Aug 04, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

Who cares? its friggin RA. You dont get anything if you win except a point for your gladiator title if you got 10+ which no one cares about anyway.

When I do RA I'll leave if the team setup is crap or I have some noob PVE W/Mo or non-level-20 on my team. If there is a monk on the opposing team and the retard warrior on my team keeps attacking the ranger or whatever and I call the target even though Im a monk and its not a monks job to call targets and the idiot/noob keeps attacking the ranger then Im not wasting my time Im leaving.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about... this whole noob this noob that attitude is getting comical cause it's all you ever hear. Your gonna leave if a pve wammo is on your team?? I'm thinking back to several times where my whole team has died and the remaining 4 opposing players still couldn't take down my pve wammo to the point we'd laugh and I'd give up. Or how about my 10 game winning streak last night with my touch ranger 2 warriors and an assasin.. I bet you probably would have left at the sight of that team.

Anyways it's apparent that there's alot of people here that are just not going to give it a fair chance to fight but that shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us. You know there's alot of people waiting outside for a chance to fight as you just log off. Maybe I'm alone in thinking something needs to be done but I think it's worth being looked into.

TadaceAce · Aug 04, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Dumbassturtle

I think people need to calm down on the whole if your not lvl 20 your crap stuff.

Being lvl 18 you are down at minimum 30 attribute points... possibly 60, which is absolutely huge. Being 2 lvls lower you take roughly 30% more damage and deal 30% less damage to a lvl 20. Basically your a big fat waste of space.

TadaceAce · Aug 04, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by luxor9

I'm thinking back to several times where my whole team has died and the remaining 4 opposing players still couldn't take down my pve wammo

This is the exact attitude people hate about the wammo. The only thing a war should bring to keep himself alive is a cover stance for frenzy and maybe heal sig. The nub wammos that bring gladiators defense, ripose, deadly ripose, bonettis, breeze, mending, vig spirit, and rebirth are the exact reason wammos are hated and regarded as newbs.

Add I bet you couldn't take any of them down, completely failing at your job as a warrior in pvp.

I enjoyed playing RA with my dervish, 80-90% of the teams, especially wammos cause they are the dumbest, would attack me and while I'm killing the monk the wammo just spams frenzy and heal sig and takes 200 damage from every AE, its beautiful.

luxor9 · Aug 05, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

it was my pve warrior and he couldn't be killed. I was impressed is all I'm saying. I wouldn't leave a team if I saw a w/mo on it I'd be glad he's there.

anyways the point being people quitting there team because they don't like the look of it should be punished. Unfortunately things happen like last night I was fighting against a lvl 8 player lol..his team left of course and it was an easy victory. Those players shouldn't be forced to compete with a lvl 8.. Why is there not a lvl requirement of 20 for random arena? That would atleast solve one reason why people quit.

so there's rule #1 REQ. LVL 20 TO ENTER RANDOM OR TEAM ARENA.

Hidden in the Mist · Aug 05, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I shouldn't be forced to stay with a whammo that relies on other people to target him first and do shit damage.

Zui · Aug 05, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

What level 20 to enter? But then all the total PvE scrubs and griefers would complain ANET is discriminating against PvErs, low levels, and new players...

/signed for that suggestion, of course ANET will never implimenet it because it's already been asked for many, many times...

Kruzing Low · Aug 05, 2006, 06:34 AM // 06:34

i just monk, since with any other class unless you have one its usually an instant loss
because of that, the only times ill leave is if i dont have a warrior or assassin on my team (which rarely happens, i mean EVERYONE is a warrior), or i notice no one is following targets (for example everyone on 3 different targets, or no one on the opposite team is dead after a minute meaning the team does no damage)

Dumbassturtle · Aug 05, 2006, 09:56 AM // 09:56

I see a lot of reasonable discussion of why logging is sometimes necessary (I do believe that sometimes it can not be avoided), but also some argument that seems rather... exclusionary which does not seem to lie in with why mmorpg’s were created.

Maybe if a player who didn't get their dream team logs off before the match starts an instant player replace is on order, like someone else who is going into match just kick them into the place of the logger?

The whole derogatory noob/newb thing is out of control though seriously can't people find a better way to air their concerns and frustrations then being completely rude. The suggestions of going to the Team Arenas if you don't want people logging on you also works the other way, if you don't want new players or certain builds in your group maybe you should try the Team Arenas?

Since this is Random Arenas you can’t possibly expect new people to not play there. Learning how to play against all ranges of players with different levels of experience requires some *gasp* crappy matches for anybody on that team (preferably with full teams on each side). Though I'm not implying that you have to stay on with a team, I'm just trying to offer some suggestions and hopefully get more community cooperation into finding ways to make this enjoyable for all.

Random Arenas are about fighting random groupings, this in turn teaches a lot of flexibility in fighting style and in building your characters. For instance the NightFall pvp preview weekend, the Dervish were rather nasty but I tweaked my character a bit between matches to counter them and found myself standing up against them rather well. I like that RA seems to be a little bit more based on odds and interesting scenarios.

Also maybe a new district for those who like challenge and welcome all players regardless of ability, build or level? Then the rest of the people who want it their way or else can play on normal districts.

luxor9 · Aug 05, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Hidden in the Mist

I shouldn't be forced to stay with a whammo that relies on other people to target him first and do shit damage.

no you shouldn't be playing in RANDOM arena if that's your attitude. key word being random as in you can't pick your damn team so you shouldn't be picky if you don't get the perfect team cause 9 times out of 10 you won't.

I thank turtle for putting some actual thought into this unlike most of you loggers out there lol.. most people that posted here are the ones that log so I can already see that if the majority of people here are like that..gee the game must be full of them and that's why I get to fight 2 on 4 and 1 on 4 so much.

thank god for karma I guess.. those folks log and log till they get the team they like, then hopefully lose to a team of wammos and a smiting monk.

master_of_puppets · Aug 05, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by luxor9

Or how about my 10 game winning streak last night with my touch ranger 2 warriors and an assasin.. I bet you probably would have left at the sight of that team.

Nah I wouldnt leave. I didnt say I'd leave if i saw any Wammo. I have been in groups with wammos that were actually not that bad(attacked the right targets,had proper builds, called stuff) I dont leave right away . But if I see them using Mending or healing breeze or riposte or something or with stupid shit like full knights armor then I'm leaving. And no I dont leave if there arent any monks on the team.

And all your "omg you're ruining it for everyone else" stuff is lame... What, the person cant just go back to RA and enter battle again?

In your post you said you played a touch ranger and if you ask me its more people like you that ruin RA, running all those exploit, cookie-cutter, easy-to-play builds to farm faction